MATT DORAN, HOST: I'm joined by Labor MP Alicia Payne and Liberal Senator Andrew Bragg. Welcome to both of you. Alicia Payne, something of a breakthrough there that the Prime Minister has just announced. We keep hearing from the government that it doesn't actually need this legislation to go through. Why is it so important to be able to get that support and get this matter through Parliament if you don't even need it to pursue your own agenda?
ALICIA PAYNE MP, MEMBER FOR CANBERRA: Well, we've made it clear that if this didn't pass the parliament that we want to get on with the job of delivering the climate action we promised, and that we need, anyway. But the reason the legislation is so important is to give that certainty to business and to the international community, and to Australians about the action that we're taking. Under the previous government, we had 22 energy policies. This is about enshrining in our legislation the commitment we've made to get to 82% renewables by 2030. And so that they can back in their own investments based on that as well.
DORAN: So we've got Labour supporting it, we've got the Greens supporting it, it looks like the independent, at least one independent in the Senate, David Pocock, may well support it, Andrew Bragg, are the Coalition going to be left out in the cold here, seeing as it's not exactly a fan of this legislation? Are you going to be on the wrong side of history, as Anthony Albanese says?
SENATOR ANDREW BRAGG, SENATOR FOR NSW: Well Matt, as you know, we're not the government, we were the government and we're not a government in exile. We are one of the parties of government. And so what's important, I think, is that the Liberal Party is able to commit itself to a serious and credible emissions reduction policy. Now we've had the 26 to 28% reduction on 2030 levels for almost 10 years. That has been too long and that has not been good enough. We've now jumped that. And our party will now develop a new ambitious emissions reduction policy for the next election. So I think it's really important for the country that the major parties are both committed to having serious emission reduction policies in place.
DORAN: Would you not be able to demonstrate that commitment more so if you were backing this legislation in federal parliament? Following that election victory by Labor and the loss of some of your most outspoken colleagues on the need for there to be more strong climate action within the coalition.
BRAGG: Well, it's the second week of the new parliament and the government's got its agenda, that it's policy. We will develop our own policy on emissions reduction and that will be done well and truly before the next election. And as I say, I think we've had the 26 or 28 policy for too long. That hasn't been good enough. We will now have a more ambitious emissions reduction policy for the next election. And I look forward to us developing that. I think it's been a significant moment that not only has the Coalition committed Australia to net zero 2050, but we will also now have a stronger policy at 2030 and 2035.
DORAN: Just one last question on that one for you.
BRAGG: A very important issue.
DORAN: The new Opposition leader Peter Dutton is saying that that would be released closer to the election. How long are you going to be able to be able to kick this can down the road rather than coming to the Australian people and saying this is our alternate policy? I take your point that we are only in week two of the 47 parliament. But this is not a new debate in Australia.
BRAGG: Well, I want my party to have an ambitious emissions reduction policy. And that is what our leader has committed to doing. And my expectation would be that would be developed and out there at least twelve months before the next election. And I think the reality is we need to be able to present the market and the community with the fact that we are committed to emissions reduction and we have our own policy for meeting our international obligations, which will also include how we're actually going to achieve doing that.
DORAN: Alicia Payne, I want to pick up on something else that's happened in Parliament today. A significant win for you and some of your colleagues, the territory rights bill. Restoring territory rights bill has managed to get through the House, it will now obviously go off to the Senate. This is about reversing the so-called Andrews Ban from more than 20 years ago. What do you think is going to happen from here? You've got you've got it through the House. I know commenting on the other place is always a bit of a fraught game in politics. But do you think you have the support to get it through the Senate as well?
PAYNE: Yeah, so I was really pleased to see that pass the House this morning. And really thankful to all of my colleagues who have, in the House, voted for my constituents and those in the Northern Territory, to have the same democratic rights as other Australians. And yes, that conversation now continues in the Senate. I'm somewhat optimistic, but there's still continuing those discussions, and I really welcome Andrew's support, as well on territory rights. And we'll be continuing to talk with other Senators about delivering this for our constituents. Because for the majority of them it's not about something for their own constituents, it's asking people to support this for the people that we represent, for whom this is really urgent, and something very important to people in Canberra and in the Northern Territory. And really that this discussion really is about democratic rights, not about voluntary assisted dying, per se. It's about allowing us to have the debate on voluntary assisted dying that all of the states have been able to have.
DORAN: Given, and you would be a close observer of things that happened in this building, you know how the Senate plays out from time to time. Although Senator Bray probably even more so knows this. Are you worried that there could be a hijacking of this debate in the Senate by those who are vehemently opposed to voluntary assisted dying? Ad they could use it as a proxy war on that issue, rather than looking at as you describe it, the the root of this bill, which is about restoring legislative rights?
PAYNE: Yes, and I respect people's right to not support voluntary assisted dying. I respect all views in that debate and obviously, there are really strong views on either side. And I think it's important that we have a very respectful debate, because it's another one of these discussions, a public discussion that can have very damaging impacts on people in the community. And I must say, I found some of the speeches yesterday quite hard to listen to, opposing, when I've been part of moving a bill that is about democratic rights, essentially. And so I just think it's important that we all do try and respect different views. And again, it's about democratic rights. As federal parliamentarians, it's not our responsibility to legislate on voluntary assisted dying. But we have had the power to stop the territories having that legislation. This bill is about restoring those rights to people in the territories.
DORAN: Andrew Bragg, do you think some of your your colleagues and counterparts in the red room might see this differently?
BRAGG: I think it'll be close. I mean, my view is very clear, either we have given self government to the territories or we haven't. And my understanding is that we have given self government to the territories, so therefore, we should afford those citizens the same civil rights as we would allow people living in the states to have who are my constituents. And having spent a lot of time in the Capital Territory, I think it's only reasonable that we would allow people to have access to the same rights and privileges. But I suspect that it will be close because there is a muddying of the waters here, rightly or wrongly, between the issue of territory rights and the matter at hand on voluntary assisted dying. So I think it will be close
DORAN: Andrew Bragg and Alicia Payne, a slightly shorter chat than we would normally have today. But you can thank the Prime Minister for that. Thank you both for joining us on Capital Hill.
